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I don't understand your first

I don't understand your first point: "So we design and develop our Java applications in the object-oriented way."Working in an object oriented way should be a higher choice thant choosing Java. Then,...

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From the aspects of reducing

From the aspects of reducing the learning curve due to decreased boilerplate and annotations, and communicating via table names and SQL queries, jOOQ looks promising. It needs to be explored a bit more...

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Considering the trade-offs, I

Considering the trade-offs, I would think that over a period of time, the development world will move away from Hibernate/JPA. I don't think many people will try to debate the points that say...

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Very well said, I think

Very well said, I think Hibernate is mostly meant for applications that are written according to the Domain Driven Design  approach, where the whole program is written around the notion of a Domain...

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Agreed.What I have seen is

Agreed.What I have seen is that once Java is chosen to develop applications, and the organization has quite a few Java developers, it becomes a Java shop. The language is already chosen. I just wanted...

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Thanks, Lukas for clarifying.

Thanks, Lukas for clarifying. Maybe it's just my experience but the relational choice seems to be coming naturally for development teams. If you can keep the learning curve small as the framework...

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I don't think you need a 900

I don't think you need a 900 page book to learn a framework - the 90/10 rule applies for ORM just like it does for most things. For better or for worse, most of Hibernate is really simple; you need to...

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Hmm, I wouldn't be limiting

Hmm, I wouldn't be limiting SQL to relationships and joins. One of SQL's killer feature is its (hidden) composability through all sorts of constructing table references, such as derived tables,...

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 If you are referring to O-R

 If you are referring to O-R impedance, my opinion is that it is not a problem or a problem that need not be solved through an ORM.Developers are not going to stop using Hibernate or will not get rid...

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 I agree that Hibernate is

 I agree that Hibernate is most useful with a DDD approach.  If you have a high value domain model, then protecting it from cross-cutting concerns like ORM is very valuable.  And unless you're just...

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 Thanks, Aleksey. And also

 Thanks, Aleksey. And also for the Vietnam of Computer Science links. Gave me a lot of details of the O-R problem, which of course, I don't agree is a problem at all.Coming to the present: I suspect...

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